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From: [e-mail] (Iceman of the Inner Circle)
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Subject: Re: Commodore BBS - obtaining Punter source
Date: 8 Jan 1996 07:47:18 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...

 I don't think this guy has a clue as to what is being talked about here, he
seems off on this tangent to sell me some IBM punter based bbs that allows
zmodem protocol for IBM users.  Get a grip dude, If I wanted to run a bbs on
my IBM I would put up a Major BBS and forget about Commodore stuff, I have
the capability to do all of that.  All that I want is a STAND alone protocol
that my IBM callers can use in place of xmodem to transfer multi files.  If
you cannot comprehend this shut up.  I do not want your IBM BBS software, I
do not want to purchase any of this crap from you for 200.00 or whatever you
quoted in your email to me.  Nothing was mentioned about the author of
punter writing a specific thing for this request whether or not he likes
doing things like that or not, that was not in the question.

  Simply put, go sell your IBM programs to someone who cares about IBM's,
I'm running the bbs on a Commodore 128 with Color version 128 and do not now
nor ever plan on changing until I can no longer keep the machine running or
until my death whichever comes first.  Do I make my point clear to you?
Should I decide to run an IBM bbs in addition to my Commodore bbs, I will
now be sure to stay just as far away as possible to the software that you
keep sending me crap on. I DO NOT WISH TO PURCHASE ANY THING FROM YOU.

  Sorry to the rest of you for writing this public, but this person seems to
have it in his head that he is going to sell me some IBM software and
doesn't go away.  Thanks for your patience.


>I have had a computer on-line since 1984. Since that time, other than
>the rise of support (on the WWW) for such Punter standards as color
>mail, hypertext and hyper-links, the #1 BBS phenomenom that I have seen
>is machine-to-machine (unattended operations) networking using the Punter
>protocol, so I touch on this concept (the needs of human, vs. machine
>users) too. Finally hypertext was originally incorporated into BBS64-type
>boards in order to give a bit more functionality to rather limited C-64
>terminals. You've come a long way, baby or what! Now, there may be
>OTHER noteworthy trends in BBS'sing, but they're not "in my face" and
>running on my own desktop I guess, so they're not as "clear" to me.
>
>Anyway the above are some of my main points in any Punter sourcing
>discussion. No like, no read -- stop now etc.
>
>-----
>
>On 1 Jan 1996, Iceman of the Inner Circle posted:
>
>IOTIC> But perhaps I am not clairifying myself correctly.
>
>Perhaps. Sentences like "I don't need the protocol to run a bbs on" are
>especially hard to follow. Somewhat better IMO is "what I am trying
>to get my hands on is an add-on Punter C1 protocol for the many IBM users
>that call my BBS."
>
>Still, OTTOMH if you have _human_ IBM callers they will want a Zmodem
>batch implementation. PC-PunterNet not only delivers that already,
>but it bends over backwards to give those people a choice.
>
>If you have ROBOT ibm callers, these callers _also_ will not go for
>C1... in fact the only users that will want C1 are long-time Commodore
>8-bit users, or people just signing on for the first time, who
>have limited hardware/software to use. In this case C1 helps a bit
>because it exists in so many terminal programs, and nobody wants to
>saddle people with XMODEM-only as their choice.
>
>There has never been any official "multi-Punter" that I know of, and
>I've yet to hear of an add-on terminal toolkit. If you think about it,
>very few programmers are fond of C1, so they don't support it, and on
>Steve on the other hand is not fond of other programmers or BBS packages,
>so he's not likely to want to build a standalone toolkit unless you
>REALLY made it worth his while.
>
>This scenario reminds me of some promotion work I do in the area of
>typewriting. Essentially most people type on either the "Q,w,e,r,t,y"
>or ANSI-Dvorak keyboard arrangement. For various reasons, it is quite
>difficult for _most people_ to have an interoperable, half-way portable
>Dvorak implementation on certain machines. The C-64 and many "Canon"
>and "Panasonic" typewriters fall into this category. The C-128 is a bit
>better, but the only working Dvorak that I've ever had was copyrighted
>and the author was not answering his mail, the last time I checked.
>
>A window on the Dvorak keyboard is available from any PC-PunterNet host,
>coast-to-coast. You just type "dv" and presto, the host will echo the
>simplified arrangement of the keys _to your terminal_ for the rest of
>the session, or for as long as you want etc. No retrofitting or "plug in"
>or "add-on" modules are needed.
>
>In both the "C1-and-downloading" and "Dvorak for 8-bit users" areas then,
>what I promote is an easy "look at the grass on the other side of the hill"
>type of upgrade path, with strong rearward support.
>
>Both of these scenarios involve attempting to retrofit newer methodologies
>into older or closed platforms on a limited-run basis. Really hard to do
>and IMO you either have to pay, yourself, or you go co-op with others
>to reduce the individual cost for all.
>
>Btw if you have a network, PC-PunterNet is a hybrid sort of BBS in that it
>already _contains_ all of the features noted above, PLUS an internet-style
>of small network, built-in. Your Punter "intra-net" can be as small as
>two boxes in the same room, or they may be across town or even across
>the country. The basic program can be tried on any XT with about 13 Mb of
>disk space free, and a phone line, modem, and LAN are completely optional.
>(Unlike Lotus Notes say.) You can't get any more basic than that, e.g. so
>many features packed into 540k of available RAM, and only 13 Mb!
>
>Most of the disk space btw is consumed by the docs and client-independent,
>ASCII/ANSI help files and menus. Like any package these days there's
>a lot you can "rip out" and discard to make your system smaller; in fact my
>own preference is the summer 1990 version. Still contains all of the
>above features and all of the help a caller is going to require, and the
>line editor option is more powerful (faster when I'm clienting in from
>my C-64) and I've gotten the sucker down to less than 5 Mb on the host.
>
>Good luck in your continuing search and be sure to let us know how you
>make out. In the meantime as I've indicated previously the best SOURCE
>for the Punter SOURCE is probably Steve's own board. I'll ship a copy of
>the host software anywhere for $20 to cover the cost of disks and
>handling, satisfaction guaranteed etc. To those waiting on their pkgs
>btw I'm just completing a re-printing of the installation guide. Delays,
>delays, I know... patience please, you won't regret it.
>
>Best, Roman
>
>News flash from Toronto btw: CRS has apparently been sold to iStar
>